Posted by: tbc1611 | June 3, 2009

Covenant vs. Compact, Part 2

A Christian Nation?

The confusion and misapplication of “covenant” has led to a misunderstanding in politics as well.  Those that hold to Covenant Theology also hold to (for the most part) post-millenialism.  Post-millenialism is as much a political view as it is a religious view: it teaches that Christ will return after there is a 1,000 year reign of “righteousness” brought on through both religious and political reformation.  This can only come through a marriage of church and state.  This is a false and very dangerous teaching.

There are many people that proclaim that America is a Christian nation.  That may have been true in the past, but it seems that America is no more a Christian nation than any other country in the world.  Just as a group of people does not make a basketball team just because they said they were or that they used to be, we are not a Christian nation simply because we say we are or that we used to be.  In Acts 11:26, it tells us that “the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”  It was not because they declared it, it was because they live and acted in such a way that those that saw them compared them to Christ: “Christian” or “Christ-like.”  Our being a Christian nation is contingent upon the people, laws, and practices following and reflecting Christ.

There was a time in our nation’s history that America would have been considered a Christian nation (in fact, it could have been considered a Baptist nation) because most of her people were Christians (at least in an outward show) and there was much influence of Christianity throughout society.  That influence was not by legislation, but by “the foolishness of preaching.”  Baptists were especially the leaders in forming this balance in our country.  It should also be mentioned that their goal was to wins souls to Christ, not to make a “Christian nation.”  People did what was right because of the teaching of God’s Word and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, not because of following legislation.

Many that proclaim that America is a Christian nation point back to that time in history, but they are also using the same premise to promote legislation regarding religious values.  There are things that are clearly taught in the Bible about how we should live, but the mode of this promotion is through preaching, not legislation.  These people have good intentions, but this type of legislating leads to a marriage of church and state.

Our forefathers fought and died to separate church and state.  There are, of course, going to be some intermingling that takes place between the two because a person’s belief system helps dictate his choices.  The churches are to teach and preach Christ and promote Biblical values, while the state is to provide protection for its citizens and prosecute criminals.  Things become blurred and confused when the state begins to legislate values and the church begins to prosecute criminals (in history, they were called heretics).

There is no national covenant that God made with America.  Israel is the only nation He ever made a covenant with (which is still in effect contrary to popular belief).  God deals with individuals, not nations or groups (Romans 14:12).  As a group, we can decide to follow and obey God (compact), but it is not our job to make sure someone else follows through with that agreement.

If we want to see America be a Christian Nation, then we must first put and keep a separation of church and state.  Then we must fight for the liberty of conscience, even of those that have opposing viewpoints.  Finally, we must make sure that we work at fulfilling the Great Commission through our local church.  America has never, and will never, be a Christian nation because of a “covenant,” because it comes only through the preaching of God’s Word.

Josh Rivers

Posted by: tbc1611 | November 20, 2008

Covenant vs. Compact, part 1

There needs to be a clarity regarding covenants and compacts. As we look at the matter between them, we must first establish a few realizations. First of all, many people use these words interchangeably, as if there is no difference. One reason for this is because of our society and our culture. Definitions that once used to be specific have become very general in our language and “up to interpretation” today. This generalization has led to the multiplicity of the different versions (perversions) of the Bible. People, not seeing the difference between ‘covenant’ and ‘compact’ have misused ‘covenant’ many times over.

We shall first examine the word ‘covenant.’ It is found in the Bible in 280 verses, 256 of which are in the Old Testament (of the 24 verses in the New Testament, most of them either quote or refer to the Old Testament). 85% of these 280 verses refer to God’s covenants that He established with various men (some to all mankind, some to particular men, but most of them with the Israelites). It should be clear that there is a precedent that God has set with these few facts, but we shall continue our examination.

The 42 remaining verses that have the word ‘covenant’ refer to men establishing covenants. Of these verses, only three refer to men covenanting together to serve God, and one refers to Job making a covenant with his eyes. Two verses refer to the covenant between the Pharisees and Judus Iscariot when he sold Jesus for thirty pieces of silver. Five verses speak about the covenant that the Antichrist sets up with the world. Nine of these verses clearly states God’s extreme displeasure, even outright commands against, men making covenants with other men or gods. The remaining verses speak of various covenants that men made with each other. It is even more clear that God has set a precedent about covenants.

In Websters 1828 Dictionary, there are several definitions given for ‘covenant’:

1. A mutual consent or agreement of two or more persons, to do or to forbear some act or thing; a contract; stipulation. A covenant is created by deed in writing, sealed and executed; or it may be implied in the contract.

2. A writing containing the terms of agreement or contract between parties; or the clause of agreement in a deed containing the covenant.

3. In theology, the covenant of works, is that implied in the commands, prohibitions, and promises of God; the promise of God to man, that mans perfect obedience should entitle him to happiness. This do, and live; that do, and die.

The covenant of redemption, is the mutual agreement between the Father and Son, respecting the redemption of sinners by Christ.

The covenant of grace, is that by which God engages to bestow salvation on man, upon the condition that man shall believe in Christ and yield obedience to the terms of the gospel.

4. In church affairs, a solemn agreement between the members of a church, that they will walk together according to the precepts of the gospel, in brotherly affection.

By definition, it is possible for men to make covenants with each other, but God does not condone it. A covenant is more than a mere agreement between parties (as many use it today), it binds each one to uphold particular duties, much like an oath or vow. Seeing that 85% of the verses dealing with covenants speaks of God establishing them, and that most of the remaining 15% condemn men making covenants with each other, the sacredness of covenants can be observed. This sacredness should be respected, and not used outside of God’s intended purposes.

The word ‘compact,’ in this sense, is not found in the Bible. Webster’s 1828 Dictionary says that it is “An agreement; a contract between parties; a word that may be applied, in a general sense, to any covenant or contract between individuals; but it is more generally applied to agreements between nations and states, as treaties and confederacies. So the constitution of the United States is a political contract between the States; a national compact. Or the word is applied to the agreement of the individuals of a community.” The basic thought behind these two words are similar, but they are not the same. As we explored, a covenant is a sacred agreement with God (usually God initiating it), but a compact is an agreement between people. In the definition, it specifically gives the understanding that our country is based on a compact – the Constitution.

Elder John Leland was one of our great Baptist forefathers that stood up for true liberty in our country – both religious and civil liberty. He had a brilliant understanding regarding our nation’s established government and how it was to operate. In one of his writings, he states four different foundations that civil government can be built upon – birth, property, grace, and compact. “Birth” refers to a monarchial system where the king’s heir inherits the seat of rule. “Property” refers to aristocratical systems where the rich landowners rule. “Grace” is utilized by those that require a religious test to qualify a ruler or officer of the state. This third one, as he points out, was used by the Roman Catholic and catholic Reformed states. This would be covenant. The fourth foundation is “compact,” which is the foundation upon which our country was founded, and he gives this illustration:

Suppose a man to remove to a desolate island, and take a peaceable possession of it, without injuring any, so that he should be the honest inheritor of the isle. So long as he is alone, he is the absolute monarch of the place, and his own will is his law, which law is as often altered or repealed as his will changes. In process of time, from this man’s loins ten sons are grown to manhood, and possess property. So long as they are all good men, each one can be as absolute, free, and sovereign as his father: but one of the ten turns vagrant, by robbing the rest. This villain is equal to, if not an over-match for any one of the nine: not one of them durst engage him in single combat. Reason and safety both dictate to the nine the necessity of a confederation, to unite their strength together to repel or destroy the plundering knave. Upon entering into confederation, some compact or agreement would be stipulated by which each would be bound to do his equal part in fatigue and expense. It would be necessary for these nine to meet at stated times to consult means of safety and happiness. A shady tree, or small cabin, would answer their purpose, and, in case of disagreement, four must give up to five.

In this state of things, their government would be perfectly democratic, every citizen being a legislator.

In a course of years, from these nine there arises nine thousand: their government can be no longer democratic – prudence would forbid it. Each tribe, or district, must then choose their representative, who, for the term that he is chosen, has the whole political power of his constituents. These representatives, meeting n assembly, would have power to make laws binding on their constituents, and while their time was spent in making laws for the community, each one of the community must advance a little of his money as a compensation therfor. Should these representatives differ in judgment, the minor must be subject to the major, as in the case above.

There has been unbiblical blurring of “covenant” and “compact.” In our society today, we have to spend so much time defining what we say – we cannot just say anything that can stand by itself. People say things that can be taken more than one way, and then they have to explain what they meant – “Well, you know what I mean.” This has filtered greatly into theology, and the days, unfortunately, are gone that we cannot use a Biblical term without having to define it.

The greatest abusers of “covenant” are those that hold to Covenant Theology. As a summary, Covenant Theology blurs all of God’s covenants – especially uniting the Old Covenant to the Jews and the New Covenant. They teach that the church is the Israel of the New Testament and visa versa. A website with a lot of documentation from their own writers can be found at http://www.pressiechurch.org/CT.html. Those that hold Covenant Theology are the same that hold to Dominion Theology and Preterism. These are the same groups that are pushing for a wrongful merger between the church and state – all because they believe that it is based on a covenant.

Some names that we should watch out for (this list is from Wikipedia’s description of Covenant Theology):

Recent well-known covenant theologians in the United States include Michael Horton, Meredith G. Kline, J. I. Packer, Richard L. Pratt, Jr., O. Palmer Robertson and R. C. Sproul. This system is taught at schools such as Covenant Theological Seminary, Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary, Knox Theological Seminary, Reformed Theological Seminary, Westminster Theological Seminary, and Westminster Seminary California.

I hope that it is an eye-opener for us Baptists. Let us not fall into the trap of these false prophets, but let us follow the exhortation that Paul gave Titus: “Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.” (Titus 1:9)

Joshua Rivers

Posted by: tbc1611 | November 12, 2008

Understanding a Baptist

The Baptists have been persecuted in the past for their position, and in America today are being criticized for their separated stand as a Baptist people, setting themselves apart from Christian denominations. Today, the word “Baptist” has a very broad spectrum, whereas many have departed from the distinctives of the faith that traditionally have been attached to Baptists. For clarification of this study, it needs to be understood that traditional doctrine adhered to by Baptists of the past and the doctrine embraced by this body of believers is the focus.

A seemingly very flippant answer to the statement “Why I am a Baptist” would be because they are right. When you take a close and honest examination of their distinctives in light of the Bible you will find such a true statement. Therefore such a response would actually reveal some depth of understanding. It makes complete sense to give oneself 100% to doing what is believed to be right. This is called religious freedom. If I believed that the Methodists were doctrinally correct I would be a Methodist, the Catholics, a Catholic and so forth.

Responses to “Why I am a Baptist” from Baptist brethren may evoke such answers as ‘because of our stand on believers’ baptism and immersion.’ Or ‘I am a Baptist because of our practice of allowing church membership to only those who have a testimony of salvation and have submitted to the Lord in Scriptural baptism.’ These and other responses like them are true, but they are only a portion of the root of why I am a Baptist.

There are eight distinctives that clearly describe our doctrinal position. An acrostic outline of them will make it easier to remember them. Every one of the distinctives is important to us and has been to Baptists through all ages. These have been the “dividing factors” between us and other groups of believers through the ages – that is our unwillingness to give up something, or to make concessions or compromises in regards to the root issue. That root issue – that root is the first of our distinctives and the foundation that all our beliefs are built upon. That is the Word of God.

A distinctive is that which make one distinct. Distinguishing from others. The distinctives of the Baptists are those Bible doctrines practiced by them alone. Where some groups may believe and follow some or even most of Baptist distinctives, the difference is that a TRUE Baptist is true to all of them.

1. Biblical Authority.

I Peter 1:23-25, Proverbs 30:4-6, Matthew 5:18, Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4, II Peter 1:18-21, James 2:21-23, Titus 2:11-15

2. Autonomy of the Local Church.

Ephesians 4:11-16, Hebrews 10:25, Matthew 10:1-13, Matthew 16:18, Revelation 1:18-3:22

3. Priesthood of each Individual Believer.

Timothy 2:5-6, Hebrews 7:24-28, Romans 8:26-27

4. Two Scriptural Offices – Pastor and Deacon.

I Timothy 3:1-7, I Timothy 3:7-13, Acts 6:1-4

5. Individual Soul Liberty.

John 12:44-48, John 3:16, Romans 9:29-30, John 3:18-21, Mark 8:34-35

6. Saved Church Membership.

Acts 2:41-42, 4:4, 5:11-14, 6:1

7. Two Scriptural Ordinances – Lord’s Supper and Baptism.

Acts 10:44-48, Matthew 3:16, Acts 8:36-39, Matthew 26:26-28, I Corinthians 11:23-29

8. Separation of Church and State.

Luke 20:25, II Corinthians 6:14-18

These distinctive doctrinal truths are known and practiced with deep conviction by the Baptist people.

Lord Bless,

Pastor D. W. Noyes

Posted by: tbc1611 | November 8, 2008

Our Purpose

Baptists have been under attack since the time of Christ.  Our enemies have tried to discredit us, humiliate us, persecute us, and even put us to death.  Even with all of their efforts, truth cannot be destroyed.  In our own country’s history, our Baptist forefathers faced these enemies with sweat, tears, and blood.  They have not responded to the violence with violence, but rather they proclaimed even louder the teachings of God’s Word.  Many times, they challeged their enemies to debates and discussions over the issues facing their time, from baptism to the Lord’s Supper to the liberty of conscience.  These opportunities were refused many times and they tried to discredit the Baptist preachers.

The catholic Reformed have continued their tactics to this day.  They have left off the physical abuse of their forefathers, but have continued to push their theology through gradual infiltration.  They have written and rewritten books, controlled the homeschool and Christian school movements, and even worked their way into our Baptist colleges and churches subtlety.  Our true heritage has been almost all erased, and we haven’t even noticed.  As Romans says, it is “high time” for us Baptists to wake up.  We need to address these issues and clearly state true Baptist (Bible) doctrine.  This task has taken, and will continue to take, much study and effort.

I am very appreciative to those that have already taken this mantle, and have begun massive research and study into our heritage and addressing these issues.  This site is a continuance of this work.  We intend to put up articles addressing these things at least monthly.  We will also be adding links to other sites dedicated to the same goal.  We pray that this will be an immense blessing, and an encouragement, to all who read it.

Joshua Rivers, Assistant Pastor

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